Strange things happen when this alleged witness statement appears. In a Spanish newspaper for ex-pats the article was removed from online.
The article in question was part of the events that were witnessed by Dr.Katherine Gaspar. A petition also having reached 5,000 signatures, was quickly closed when someone gave their reason for the case being re-opened, they mentioned the Gaspar statement.
Several books have now been written about the McCann affair and there is suggestion of the parents involvement in many, if not all, from the authors. The one subject the books do not touch on however, is the Gaspar statement, only Dr.Amaral mentions it in his book as part of the investigation. This witness statement has been kept back at all costs from the British public by the McCanns, through their lawyers.
The cadaver dogs and their findings, the McCanns do not want this information out there. , they are unreliable says Gerry and even though the dogs only picked up on all things McCann, no one dare question Gerry on this observation.
Dr.Amaral explained the investigation in his well written book The Truth of the Lie and his observations from years of experience led him to suspect the McCanns. But not just him , his team… the McCanns have singled him out as their target but it was an investigation that brought them to their conclusions and the involvement of the McCanns.
The McCanns have not been cleared , their arguido status has been lifted. If the investigation were to be re-opened tomorrow the McCanns would once again become arguidos. They have both also made it very clear they are not to be question on their version of what they claim happened to Madeleine.
The allegation Katherine makes, is a serious one and I wonder if Gerry and David Payne have taken any action against her if untrue.? Information held back from the mystery of what happened to Madeleine puts the McCanns in a very bad light. Information held back by a Police force, stinks of corruption.
Had this information been released by the British press, damage control would have been impossible, even for Clarence Mitchell…it would have been a ticking time bomb, what would the public reaction have been or would be even today on reading this? shock , horror and yes thoughts of the possibility Madeleine may have been an abused child ..
Why was this statement held back? What or who is the driving force behind the McCanns and why?
Katherines husband remembered the incident ,yet did not seem concerned, nor does he mention his wife asking him to watch the children at bath time if David Payne was bathing them.
Although Katherines husband does agree, the suggestions made by David Payne , were in poor taste.
If Katherine was so concerned, why did she not leave with her children?, ,instead she continued to allow David to bathe them even with these thoughts running through her head, thoughts of paedophilia.
THE ALLEGED ALLEGATIONS: STATEMENT BY DR:KATHERINE GASPAR.
Final revised translation.
First Names: KATHERINA ZACHARIAS
Date of Birth:
Date of Statement: 16/05/2007
Number of Pages: 8
I make this statement in relation to the MCCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The MCCANN family is composed of Gerry MCCANN, his wife, Kate MCCANN and their three children, Madeleine, 4 years old, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins, aged two.
As has been widely covered by the news, Madeleine is not with her family presently, and has been missing for the last two weeks.
I will begin by explaining that I am married to Savio Gaspar and that we have two daughters, E., who is almost 3 and I. who is now one year old. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. I am a General Practitioner like my husband. I met my husband when we were (page 1) working together in Exeter, about 14 years ago.
To explain the way in which we met the MCCANN family, I would like to state that my husband knows Kate, as they both attended Dundee University between 1987 and 1992. At that time, Kate?s name was Kate HEALY. I met Kate and Gerry on the occasion of their wedding, around 1998, in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding because as Savio was an old friend of Kate?s, we were both invited to the event.
As far as I know, Savio did not know Gerry before the abovementioned wedding. From that time onwards, we met as friends about three times a year and we would spent weekends away together. I would say that we became intimate friends of Gerry and Kate.
I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent a weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We would stay in contact with each other by telephone.
In 2002/2003 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 2002/2003 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 2002/2003 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 2002/2003 end_of_the_skype_highlighting end_of_the_skype_highlighting Savio and I were living in Birmingham and the MCCANNS in Leicester.
In September of 2005, Savio, I and E., who at the time was about 1 and a half years old, went to spend our holidays abroad, in Majorca. We went (page 2) on holiday with Kate, Gerry, and Madeleine, who would have been around 2 and a half years old and with the twins, Sean and Amelie, who were just months old. I remember that I was pregnant with I.
During those holidays there were also friends of Gerry and Kate with us.
There was a couple, whose names were Dave and Fiona, and whose surname was PAYNE, I believe. I think that they were married and had one daughter aged about 1, named L. I remember that during those holidays that Fiona was pregnant.
There was another couple, whose names were Tara and Stuart, but whose surname I cannot remember who were also on holiday with us. They had two boys, aged 1 and 3, whose names I do not remember. I did not know these two families before we went on holidays together. From memory, I think that it was Dave who organised these holidays and we all stayed together in a big house when we were in Majorca.
We spend a week on holidays, however, the MCCANN family and the PAYNE family stayed for two weeks. I think that Tara and Stuart, and their two children, also stayed for just one week.
Two or three days had gone by, we were all staying in Majorca where, in general terms, we had fun (Page 3) with our children. Possibly, around the fourth or perhaps the fifth day abroad, I remember an incident that stayed recorded in my head. I say this in this way, because I have thought numerous times about the incident that I am about to describe since that date.
One night, when we were on holiday, the adults, in other words, the couples that I mentioned were on a patio outside the house where we were staying. We had been eating and drinking.
I was sitting between Dave and Gerry whom I believe were both talking about Madeleine. I don?t remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like ?she?, referring to Madeleine, ?would do this?.
When he mentioned ?this?, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.
I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to see their reactions. I looked around (page 4) to see ?did anyone else hear this, or was it just me?. There was a nervous silence noted in the conversations of all the others and immediately afterwards everyone began talking again.
I never spoke to anyone about this, but I always felt that it was something very strange and that it wasn?t something that should be done or said.
Apart from this, I remember that Dave did the same thing once again. When I refer to this, I want to mention again that it was during a conversation, in which he was talking about an imaginary situation, though I could not say precisely what it was about. I believe that he was talking about his own daughter, L., though I?m not certain. He slid one of his fingers in and out of his mouth, while the other hand drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual manner. I believe that he was referring to the way that L., would behave or would do it.
I believe that he did this later on, during the holidays, but I cannot be sure. The only time, besides this one, that I was with Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met up with Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona at a restaurant in Leicester.
I am absolutely certain that he said what he said and that he made the gestures I referred to, but that could have occurred in the restaurant in Leicester, even though (page five) I believe that it was later on, in Majorca. When I heard Dave saying and doing this a second time, I took it more seriously.
I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different way from me or from the others. I imagined that maybe he had visited Internet sites related to small children. In short, I thought that he might be interested in child pornography on the internet.
During our holidays, I was more attentive at the bath times after hearing Dave saying that.
During our holidays in Majorca, it was the fathers who took care of the children baths. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if it was Dave bathing the children. I remember telling Savio to took care to be there, in case it was Dave helping to bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter E. I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone.
When I heard Dave say that a second time, it reinforced what I already thought in relation to his thoughts about girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife, Fiona, accompanied by their daughter L., took Madeleine (page 6) with them to spend the day, in order to give Kate and Gerry a bit of rest and time to be with the twins. When I say this, it is not that I was worried about Madeleine?s safety, since she was also with Fiona and L., and also with Dave, as far as I know.
As I have already mentioned, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Majorca, and I have not spoken to them since then. In the last two years, we have met, as a family, with the MCCANN, every now and then. This mainly happens on the children?s birthdays, a time when we meet up.
The first time I heard of the terrible news about Madeleine?s disappearance through the radio, my thoughts went immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holidays with the MCCANN in Portugal but he did not know.
I watched the TV thoroughly, and seeing the news coverage, I noticed that Dave was there, because I saw him, in the background, on the television images during the first days after Madeleine?s disappearance. Based upon that, I believed that he was on holidays with the MCCANN in Portugal.
Today, Wednesday, 16th of May of 2007, at 17:40, I gave DC Brewer an A4 page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to refer to these images as (Ref KZG/1) (element of proof) that may (page seven) be presented as means of proof, if necessary. These photographs were taken during the holidays in Majorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white T-shirt and the woman in the photograph corresponds to his wife Fiona. The man who is holding the glass of wine in the photograph is Stuart. These photographs were taken while we were in Majorca.
Translation [PJ] done by C.R.F.E.
Note: Retroversion from the Portuguese translation
Attached to this statement was a small report from DC Mike Marshall.
With what would appear some sort of AMNESIA from David and Fiona Payne.
To: Ricard Paiva
From: DC 1756 Mike MARSHALL
Ref: David Payne
Date: October 24, 2007
Leicester Police Constabulary
As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar.
I read with curiosity the written statements given by David Payne but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.
When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.
He does not remember what he was wearing that afternoon.
He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone. He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield.
He did not partake in the searches realized on the 4th of May, because, on this day, he spent to majority of time in the police headquarters.
For many questions, he does not give a complete response, affirming simply that he has already given this information to the Portuguese police in his declarations.
I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.
Her responses to the questions are vague. She continued to respond to questions with ?they conform with my earlier deposition? or some similar statement..